I thought I would post this in case anyone is at the same 'deciding factor'
stage of a 220V 180A continuous output MIG. As well, I welcome comments on
any of the comparisons as some of them seem like they could be stretch
assignments as I'm aware. Either way, it's a decent read so here it is. Now
I'm sure if Miller did the comparison the features and benefits would tell a
different story also...

http://content.lincolnelectric.com/p...ture/e7242.pdf


Thanks.
Andrew.

AWN wrote:
> I thought I would post this in case anyone is at the same 'deciding factor'
> stage of a 220V 180A continuous output MIG. As well, I welcome comments on
> any of the comparisons as some of them seem like they could be stretch
> assignments as I'm aware. Either way, it's a decent read so here it is. Now
> I'm sure if Miller did the comparison the features and benefits would tell a
> different story also...
>
> http://content.lincolnelectric.com/p...ture/e7242.pdf

That's pretty dang interesting. Thanks for posting the link.

Grant

Kinda makes me want to open up the next one I buy!
Look under the hood as they say.


But Marketing talk is often that - they don't have our trade name patent object...

Good and very good things to keep in mind when buying first or second had machines.

Martin

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Grant Erwin wrote:
> AWN wrote:
>> I thought I would post this in case anyone is at the same 'deciding
>> factor'
>> stage of a 220V 180A continuous output MIG. As well, I welcome
>> comments on
>> any of the comparisons as some of them seem like they could be stretch
>> assignments as I'm aware. Either way, it's a decent read so here it
>> is. Now
>> I'm sure if Miller did the comparison the features and benefits would
>> tell a
>> different story also...
>>
>> http://content.lincolnelectric.com/p...ture/e7242.pdf
>
> That's pretty dang interesting. Thanks for posting the link.
>
> Grant

on a somewhat related note;
I was recently in the market for a lincoln SP170T for home use and some
light commercial work. Ive owned a couple of these in past and used them
commercially, they are a good rugged site machine that will run off the 240V
10A plugs we have in australia (though they are supposed to be used in 15A
plugs).

Due to a shortage of stock, I ended up looking around. I didnt want the
cheaper liquid arc version of the same machine and stumbled upon a new breed
of inverter mig, in this case the kemppi adaptive 180. It retailed for
about twice what the lincoln cost, but i got a 30% trade discount so got it
for not a lot more than the retail of the lincoln.

These units are small, about half the size of the sp170, but the big
advantage is weight; 9.5kg! These use the same type of inverter technology
as the modern type of lunchbox style stick welders which is where they save
most of their weight, but the box is entirely made of ABS plastic which no
doubt cuts weight down too. It's a bit too early to tell if it will stand
up to the test of time, Ive got my doubts over the wirefeeder and roll
holder mechanism, but in most cases this welder fits the bill nicely, and
the fact you can actually sling it over your shoulder and walk around
welding without breaking your back is great.

One other thing i liked about it is (vitually) stepless adjustments for both
wire and voltage; very helpful at the thin sheetmetal end of the scale. And
because the interface is digital, you can get the same settings every time
ie; 20.7V and 5.9m/sec wire as oppsed to 'E on voltage and the wire was sort
of between 6 and 6 and 7, but not exactly half way, just a bit more towards
the 7, but not so much'. It has an automatic mode, but i havent tried it.

Also has a quick disconnect style gas fitting on the back for
aluminum/stainless work, but im only using it with flux cored. the max wire
size is 1.0mm (will not run 1.2) but I'm running .8 flux core. .6 might be
ok for very thin work, but i find i get feed problems with it.

Shaun

"Grant Erwin" <grant*NOSPAMkirkland.net> wrote in message
news:13k4dm6dkn6622f*corp.supernews.com...
> AWN wrote:
>> I thought I would post this in case anyone is at the same 'deciding
>> factor'
>> stage of a 220V 180A continuous output MIG. As well, I welcome comments
>> on
>> any of the comparisons as some of them seem like they could be stretch
>> assignments as I'm aware. Either way, it's a decent read so here it is.
>> Now
>> I'm sure if Miller did the comparison the features and benefits would
>> tell a
>> different story also...
>>
>> http://content.lincolnelectric.com/p...ture/e7242.pdf
>
> That's pretty dang interesting. Thanks for posting the link.
>
> Grant

No problem. I hope it helps steer others in terms of what to look at when
assessing a MIG purchase (be that red, blue, yellow, green... Whatever).
Andrew.



On 11/19/07 8:24 PM, in article 13k4dm6dkn6622f*corp.supernews.com, "Grant
Erwin" <grant*NOSPAMkirkland.net> wrote:

> AWN wrote:
>> I thought I would post this in case anyone is at the same 'deciding factor'
>> stage of a 220V 180A continuous output MIG. As well, I welcome comments on
>> any of the comparisons as some of them seem like they could be stretch
>> assignments as I'm aware. Either way, it's a decent read so here it is. Now
>> I'm sure if Miller did the comparison the features and benefits would tell a
>> different story also...
>>
>> http://content.lincolnelectric.com/p...ture/e7242.pdf
>
> That's pretty dang interesting. Thanks for posting the link.
>
> Grant

The truth lies somewhere between no doubt. The folks at Miller have their
say on a comparison here:

http://www.millerwelds.com/products/...matic_180.html

Andrew.

Do you think that smaller Power MIG 140 would be just about as much good as
the 220V Power MIG 180? I have a 220V outlet in my garage (only one,
though), but there are more 110V outlets than I can shake a stick at!

"AWN" wrote...
>I thought I would post this in case anyone is at the same 'deciding factor'
> stage of a 220V 180A continuous output MIG. As well, I welcome comments
> on
> any of the comparisons as some of them seem like they could be stretch
> assignments as I'm aware. Either way, it's a decent read so here it is.
> Now
> I'm sure if Miller did the comparison the features and benefits would tell
> a
> different story also...
>
> http://content.lincolnelectric.com/p...ture/e7242.pdf
>
>
> Thanks.
> Andrew.
>

Another great bit of info:

http://tinyurl.com/2zertb (link re-directs you to an eBay Info page)

This is helpful to anyone looking to get a MIG or flux core machine, but it
really only covers Lincoln and Miller. Not much on ESAB, but then most steer
clear of them.

"AWN" wrote...
>I thought I would post this in case anyone is at the same 'deciding factor'
> stage of a 220V 180A continuous output MIG. As well, I welcome comments
> on
> any of the comparisons as some of them seem like they could be stretch
> assignments as I'm aware. Either way, it's a decent read so here it is.
> Now
> I'm sure if Miller did the comparison the features and benefits would tell
> a
> different story also...
>
> http://content.lincolnelectric.com/p...ture/e7242.pdf
>
>
> Thanks.
> Andrew.
>

I imagine if you preheat and make multiple passes you could pull off just
about the same tasks but it definitely would take more work. Is the Power
Mig 140 a tapped or continuously variable machine? I find that makes a
difference when dealing with thinner sheet metals etc. given the added fine
control. I believe that you need to buy whatever meets and/or exceeds your
needs. I would rather do frame work with a 180A machine myself but that's
not to say that a 140A machine wouldn't be possible.

These are just novice thoughts and shouldn't be taken at face value till you
hear some consistent answers from the seasoned professionals.

Andrew.



On 11/21/07 9:10 AM, in article 6%W0j.360$4q5.7*nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com, "Joe"
<seeWebsite*joeswelding.biz> wrote:

> Do you think that smaller Power MIG 140 would be just about as much good as
> the 220V Power MIG 180? I have a 220V outlet in my garage (only one,
> though), but there are more 110V outlets than I can shake a stick at!
>
> "AWN" wrote...
>> I thought I would post this in case anyone is at the same 'deciding factor'
>> stage of a 220V 180A continuous output MIG. As well, I welcome comments
>> on
>> any of the comparisons as some of them seem like they could be stretch
>> assignments as I'm aware. Either way, it's a decent read so here it is.
>> Now
>> I'm sure if Miller did the comparison the features and benefits would tell
>> a
>> different story also...
>>
>> http://content.lincolnelectric.com/p...ture/e7242.pdf
>>
>>
>> Thanks.
>> Andrew.
>>
>
>