<>You're sound asleep when you hear a thump outside your bedroom door.
Half-awake, and nearly paralyzed with fear, you hear muffled whispers.
<>At least two people have broken into your house and are moving your way.

With your heart pumping, you reach down beside your bed and pick up your
shotgun. You rack a shell into the chamber, then inch toward the door
and open it.



<>In the darkness, you make out two shadows. One holds something that
looks like a crowbar. <>When the intruder brandishes it as if to strike,
you raise the shotgun and fire. The blast knocks both thugs to the
floor. One writhes and screams while the second man crawls to the front
door and lurches outside.



As you pick up the telephone to call police, you know you're in trouble.
In your country, most guns were outlawed years before, and the few
that are privately owned are so stringently regulated as to make them
useless.



Yours was never registered. Police arrive and inform you that the
second burglar has died. They arrest you for First Degree Murder and
Illegal Possession of a Firearm.



When you talk to your attorney, he tells you not to worry: authorities
will probably plea the case down to manslaughter. "What kind of
sentence will I get?" you ask. "Only ten-to-twelve years," he replies,
as if that's nothing.

"Behave yourself, and you'll be out in seven."

<>

The next day, the shooting is the lead story in the local newspaper.
Somehow, you're portrayed as an eccentric vigilante while the two men
you shot are represented as choirboys. Their friends and relatives can't
find an unkind word to say about them. Buried deep down in the article,
authorities acknowledge that both "victims" have been arrested numerous
times.



But the next day's headline says it all:

"Lovable Rogue Son Didn't Deserve to Die." The thieves have been
transformed from career criminals into Robin Hood-type pranksters..



As the days wear on, the story takes wings.

The national media picks it up, then the international media. The
surviving burglar has become a folk hero.

Your attorney says the thief is preparing to sue you, and he'll probably
win. The media publishes reports that your home has been burglarized
several times in the past and that you've been critical of local police
for their lack of effort in apprehending the suspects.

After the last break-in, you told your neighbor that you would be
prepared next time. The District Attorney uses this to allege that you
were lying in wait for the burglars.

<>A few months later, you go to trial. The charges haven't been reduced,
as your lawyer had so confidently predicted. When you take the stand,
your anger at the injustice of it all works against you.. Prosecutors
paint a picture of you as a mean, vengeful man. It doesn't take long for
the jury to convict you of all charges.
<!--[endif]-->

The judge sentences you to life in prison.

<>
This case really happened.



<>On August 22, 1999, Tony Martin of Emneth, Norfolk England , killed
one burglar and wounded a second.
<>In April, 2000, he was convicted and is now serving a life term..


How did it become a crime to defend one's own life in the once great
British Empire?

<>
It started with the Pistols Act of 1903.



This seemingly reasonable law forbade selling pistols to minors or
felons and established that handgun sales were to be made only to those
who had a license. The Firearms Act of 1920 expanded licensing to
include not only handguns but all firearms except shotguns.

<>


Later laws passed in 1953 and 1967 outlawed the carrying of any weapon
by private citizens and mandated the registration of all shotguns.

Momentum for total handgun confiscation began in earnest after the
Hungerford mass shooting in 1987. Michael Ryan, a mentally disturbed man
with a Kalashnikov rifle, walked down the streets shooting everyone he saw.

When the smoke cleared, 17 people were dead.

The British public, already de-sensitized by eighty years of "gun
control", demanded even tougher restrictions. (The seizure of all
privately owned handguns was the objective even though Ryan used a rifle.)

Nine years later, at Dunblane , Scotland , Thomas Hamilton used a
semi-automatic weapon to murder 16 children and a teacher at a public
school.

For many years, the media had portrayed all gun owners as mentally
unstable or worse, criminals. Now the press had a real kook with which
to beat up law-abiding gun owners. Day after day, week after week, the
media gave up all pretense of objectivity and demanded a total ban on
all handguns. The Dunblane Inquiry, a few months later, sealed the fate
of the few sidearms still owned by private citizens.


During the years in which the British government incrementally took away
most gun rights, the notion that a citizen had the right to armed
self-defense came to be seen as vigilantism. Authorities refused to
grant gun licenses to people who were threatened, claiming that
self-defense was no longer considered a reason to own a gun. Citizens
who shot burglars or robbers or rapists were charged while the real
criminals were released.

Indeed, after the Martin shooting, a police spokesman was quoted as
saying, "We cannot have people take the law into their own hands."

All of Martin's neighbors had been robbed numerous times, and several
elderly people were severely injured in beatings by young thugs who had
no fear of the consequences. Martin himself, a collector of antiques,
had seen most of his collection trashed or stolen by burglars.


When the Dunblane Inquiry ended, citizens who owned handguns were given
three months to turn them over to local authorities. Being good British
subjects, most people obeyed the law. The few who didn't were visited by
police and threatened with ten-year prison sentences if they didn't comply.

<>
Police later bragged that they'd taken nearly 200,000 handguns from
private citizens.


How did the authorities know who had handguns?
The guns had been registered and licensed.
Kind of like cars. Sound familiar?


WAKE UP AMERICA; THIS IS WHY OUR FOUNDING FATHERS PUT THE SECOND
AMENDMENT IN OUR CONSTITUTION.


"..It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate,
tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds.."


--Samuel Adams


You had better wake up, because your new president is

going to do this very same thing over here if he can get it

done….. And there are stupid people in congress and

on the street that will go right along with him.

"Alexander" <Alexander*thegreat.org> wrote in message
news:7qtabdFc03U1*mid.individual.net...
> <>You're sound asleep when you hear a thump outside your bedroom door.
> Half-awake, and nearly paralyzed with fear, you hear muffled whispers.
> <>At least two people have broken into your house and are moving your way.
>
> With your heart pumping, you reach down beside your bed and pick up your
> shotgun. You rack a shell into the chamber, then inch toward the door and
> open it.
>
>
>
> <>In the darkness, you make out two shadows. One holds something that
> looks like a crowbar. <>When the intruder brandishes it as if to strike,
> you raise the shotgun and fire.
> The blast knocks both thugs to the floor. One writhes and screams while
> the second man crawls to the front door and lurches outside.

Reality: "When confronted, they attempted to flee through a window.
Shooting in the dark, Martin shot Fearon in the leg, and Barras in the back"

So he wasn't defending himself, the burglars were fleeing and posed no
threat.


>
>
>
> As you pick up the telephone to call police, you know you're in trouble.
> In your country, most guns were outlawed years before, and the few that
> are privately owned are so stringently regulated as to make them useless.

"At no time did Martin call the police or any other authorities to inform
them of what had happened."

> This case really happened.

Not how you described it.

Martin's lawyers tried to argue, at appeal, that he suffered from a paranoid
psychiatric disorder.

He had had his shotgun licence revoked because he threatened to shoot his
brother.

Just the kind of person you want to have firearms - not.

"Blinky Bill" <nospam*anytime.com> wrote:

:
:
:"Alexander" <Alexander*thegreat.org> wrote in message
:news:7qtabdFc03U1*mid.individual.net...
:> <>You're sound asleep when you hear a thump outside your bedroom door.
:> Half-awake, and nearly paralyzed with fear, you hear muffled whispers.
:> <>At least two people have broken into your house and are moving your way.
:>
:> With your heart pumping, you reach down beside your bed and pick up your
:> shotgun. You rack a shell into the chamber, then inch toward the door and
:> open it.
:>
:>
:>
:> <>In the darkness, you make out two shadows. One holds something that
:> looks like a crowbar. <>When the intruder brandishes it as if to strike,
:> you raise the shotgun and fire.
:> The blast knocks both thugs to the floor. One writhes and screams while
:> the second man crawls to the front door and lurches outside.
:
:Reality: "When confronted, they attempted to flee through a window.
:Shooting in the dark, Martin shot Fearon in the leg, and Barras in the back"
:
:So he wasn't defending himself, the burglars were fleeing and posed no
:threat.
:

Or the burglars were retreating to reattack. Why let them retreat so
they can reattack from a different direction later?

:
:>
:>
:>
:> As you pick up the telephone to call police, you know you're in trouble.
:> In your country, most guns were outlawed years before, and the few that
:> are privately owned are so stringently regulated as to make them useless.
:
:"At no time did Martin call the police or any other authorities to inform
:them of what had happened."
:

Never? Is that because the police arrived before he could do so?

:> This case really happened.
:
:Not how you described it.
:
:Martin's lawyers tried to argue, at appeal, that he suffered from a paranoid
sychiatric disorder.
:
:He had had his shotgun licence revoked because he threatened to shoot his
:brother.
:
:Just the kind of person you want to have firearms - not.
:

Should have cut his tongue out, too. I mean, do you really want
someone like that to have free speech?

--
"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
territory."
--G. Behn

"Fred J. McCall" <fjmccall*gmail.com> wrote in message
newsndkk59dud0kgp8eglcjlkv4078ml0m8eo*4ax.com...
> "Blinky Bill" <nospam*anytime.com> wrote:
>
> :
> :
> :"Alexander" <Alexander*thegreat.org> wrote in message
> :news:7qtabdFc03U1*mid.individual.net...
> :> <>You're sound asleep when you hear a thump outside your bedroom door.
> :> Half-awake, and nearly paralyzed with fear, you hear muffled whispers.
> :> <>At least two people have broken into your house and are moving your
> way.
> :>
> :> With your heart pumping, you reach down beside your bed and pick up
> your
> :> shotgun. You rack a shell into the chamber, then inch toward the door
> and
> :> open it.
> :>
> :>
> :>
> :> <>In the darkness, you make out two shadows. One holds something that
> :> looks like a crowbar. <>When the intruder brandishes it as if to
> strike,
> :> you raise the shotgun and fire.
> :> The blast knocks both thugs to the floor. One writhes and screams while
> :> the second man crawls to the front door and lurches outside.
> :
> :Reality: "When confronted, they attempted to flee through a window.
> :Shooting in the dark, Martin shot Fearon in the leg, and Barras in the
> back"
> :
> :So he wasn't defending himself, the burglars were fleeing and posed no
> :threat.
> :
>
> Or the burglars were retreating to reattack.

If they were retreating they weren't a threat.

> Why let them retreat so they can reattack from a different direction
> later?

Because they weren't a threat and he couldn't read their minds. If they came
back, he could have shot them when they were a threat and he probably
wouldn't have been charged with murder.


>
> :
> :>
> :>
> :>
> :> As you pick up the telephone to call police, you know you're in
> trouble.
> :> In your country, most guns were outlawed years before, and the few that
> :> are privately owned are so stringently regulated as to make them
> useless.
> :
> :"At no time did Martin call the police or any other authorities to inform
> :them of what had happened."
> :
>
> Never? Is that because the police arrived before he could do so?

No, because he went to a bar and drank all night.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Martin_(farmer)


>
> :> This case really happened.
> :
> :Not how you described it.
> :
> :Martin's lawyers tried to argue, at appeal, that he suffered from a
> paranoid
> sychiatric disorder.
> :
> :He had had his shotgun licence revoked because he threatened to shoot his
> :brother.
> :
> :Just the kind of person you want to have firearms - not.
> :
>
> Should have cut his tongue out, too. I mean, do you really want
> someone like that to have free speech?

I certainly don't want someone like that to have guns.

"Blinky Bill" <nospam*anytime.com> wrote:

:
:
:"Fred J. McCall" <fjmccall*gmail.com> wrote in message
:newsndkk59dud0kgp8eglcjlkv4078ml0m8eo*4ax.com.. .
:> "Blinky Bill" <nospam*anytime.com> wrote:
:>
:> :
:> :
:> :"Alexander" <Alexander*thegreat.org> wrote in message
:> :news:7qtabdFc03U1*mid.individual.net...
:> :> <>You're sound asleep when you hear a thump outside your bedroom door.
:> :> Half-awake, and nearly paralyzed with fear, you hear muffled whispers.
:> :> <>At least two people have broken into your house and are moving your
:> way.
:> :>
:> :> With your heart pumping, you reach down beside your bed and pick up
:> your
:> :> shotgun. You rack a shell into the chamber, then inch toward the door
:> and
:> :> open it.
:> :>
:> :>
:> :>
:> :> <>In the darkness, you make out two shadows. One holds something that
:> :> looks like a crowbar. <>When the intruder brandishes it as if to
:> strike,
:> :> you raise the shotgun and fire.
:> :> The blast knocks both thugs to the floor. One writhes and screams while
:> :> the second man crawls to the front door and lurches outside.
:> :
:> :Reality: "When confronted, they attempted to flee through a window.
:> :Shooting in the dark, Martin shot Fearon in the leg, and Barras in the
:> back"
:> :
:> :So he wasn't defending himself, the burglars were fleeing and posed no
:> :threat.
:> :
:>
:> Or the burglars were retreating to reattack.
:
:If they were retreating they weren't a threat.
:

Until they were out of your sight and then can attack by surprise from
a different direction.

:> Why let them retreat so they can reattack from a different direction
:> later?
:
:Because they weren't a threat and he couldn't read their minds. If they came
:back, he could have shot them when they were a threat and he probably
:wouldn't have been charged with murder.
:

If he caught them again and didn't wind up dead himself.

:
:>
:> :
:> :>
:> :>
:> :>
:> :> As you pick up the telephone to call police, you know you're in
:> trouble.
:> :> In your country, most guns were outlawed years before, and the few that
:> :> are privately owned are so stringently regulated as to make them
:> useless.
:> :
:> :"At no time did Martin call the police or any other authorities to inform
:> :them of what had happened."
:> :
:>
:> Never? Is that because the police arrived before he could do so?
:
:No, because he went to a bar and drank all night.
:
:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Martin_(farmer)
:

Shock?

:
:>
:> :> This case really happened.
:> :
:> :Not how you described it.
:> :
:> :Martin's lawyers tried to argue, at appeal, that he suffered from a paranoid
:> sychiatric disorder.
:> :
:> :He had had his shotgun licence revoked because he threatened to shoot his
:> :brother.
:> :
:> :Just the kind of person you want to have firearms - not.
:> :
:>
:> Should have cut his tongue out, too. I mean, do you really want
:> someone like that to have free speech?
:
:I certainly don't want someone like that to have guns.
:

And I'm sure there are people who feel the same way about you. Prior
restraint is a LOUSY legal doctrine.

Now, back to that pesky free speech issue, shouldn't they have cut his
tongue out, too. I mean, do you really want someone like that to have
free speech?


--
"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
territory."
--G. Behn

"Fred J. McCall" <fjmccall*gmail.com> wrote in message
news:0clkk5tv3ld0ohbk2dd67ev75rd0ve6fur*4ax.com...
> "Blinky Bill" <nospam*anytime.com> wrote:
>
> :
> :
> :"Fred J. McCall" <fjmccall*gmail.com> wrote in message
> :newsndkk59dud0kgp8eglcjlkv4078ml0m8eo*4ax.com.. .
> :> "Blinky Bill" <nospam*anytime.com> wrote:
> :>
> :> :
> :> :
> :> :"Alexander" <Alexander*thegreat.org> wrote in message
> :> :news:7qtabdFc03U1*mid.individual.net...
> :> :> <>You're sound asleep when you hear a thump outside your bedroom
> door.
> :> :> Half-awake, and nearly paralyzed with fear, you hear muffled
> whispers.
> :> :> <>At least two people have broken into your house and are moving
> your
> :> way.
> :> :>
> :> :> With your heart pumping, you reach down beside your bed and pick up
> :> your
> :> :> shotgun. You rack a shell into the chamber, then inch toward the
> door
> :> and
> :> :> open it.
> :> :>
> :> :>
> :> :>
> :> :> <>In the darkness, you make out two shadows. One holds something
> that
> :> :> looks like a crowbar. <>When the intruder brandishes it as if to
> :> strike,
> :> :> you raise the shotgun and fire.
> :> :> The blast knocks both thugs to the floor. One writhes and screams
> while
> :> :> the second man crawls to the front door and lurches outside.
> :> :
> :> :Reality: "When confronted, they attempted to flee through a window.
> :> :Shooting in the dark, Martin shot Fearon in the leg, and Barras in the
> :> back"
> :> :
> :> :So he wasn't defending himself, the burglars were fleeing and posed no
> :> :threat.
> :> :
> :>
> :> Or the burglars were retreating to reattack.
> :
> :If they were retreating they weren't a threat.
> :
>
> Until they were out of your sight and then can attack by surprise from
> a different direction.

Is there some part of "They weren't a threat when he shot them"that you
cannot understand? That is all that the law is interested in. He could not
read their minds so your speculation is pointless. The law allows defence
against actual threats, not fantasies, although that might not be the case
in the US.


>
> :> Why let them retreat so they can reattack from a different direction
> :> later?
> :
> :Because they weren't a threat and he couldn't read their minds. If they
> came
> :back, he could have shot them when they were a threat and he probably
> :wouldn't have been charged with murder.
> :
>
> If he caught them again and didn't wind up dead himself.

They were burglars, not murderers. And he could legally defend himself
against what they were actually doing, not some fantasy that you imagine.
And what they were doing was running away.

>
> :
> :>
> :> :
> :> :>
> :> :>
> :> :>
> :> :> As you pick up the telephone to call police, you know you're in
> :> trouble.
> :> :> In your country, most guns were outlawed years before, and the few
> that
> :> :> are privately owned are so stringently regulated as to make them
> :> useless.
> :> :
> :> :"At no time did Martin call the police or any other authorities to
> inform
> :> :them of what had happened."
> :> :
> :>
> :> Never? Is that because the police arrived before he could do so?
> :
> :No, because he went to a bar and drank all night.
> :
> :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Martin_(farmer)
> :
>
> Shock?
>
> :
> :>
> :> :> This case really happened.
> :> :
> :> :Not how you described it.
> :> :
> :> :Martin's lawyers tried to argue, at appeal, that he suffered from a
> paranoid
> :> sychiatric disorder.
> :> :
> :> :He had had his shotgun licence revoked because he threatened to shoot
> his
> :> :brother.
> :> :
> :> :Just the kind of person you want to have firearms - not.
> :> :
> :>
> :> Should have cut his tongue out, too. I mean, do you really want
> :> someone like that to have free speech?
> :
> :I certainly don't want someone like that to have guns.
> :
>
> And I'm sure there are people who feel the same way about you.

For what reason - that I disagree with them? ROTFLMAO The OP wants to make a
poster boy out of a person who was eminently unsuited to owning firearms.



>
> Now, back to that pesky free speech issue,

Why do you think I'm going to let you change the subject?
<snip>

On Jan 10, 5:07*pm, "Blinky Bill" <nos...*anytime.com> wrote:
> "Fred J. McCall" <fjmcc...*gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:0clkk5tv3ld0ohbk2dd67ev75rd0ve6fur*4ax .com...
>
>
>
> > "Blinky Bill" <nos...*anytime.com> wrote:
>
> > :
> > :
> > :"Fred J. McCall" <fjmcc...*gmail.com> wrote in message
> > :newsndkk59dud0kgp8eglcjlkv4078ml0m8eo*4ax.com.. .
> > :> "Blinky Bill" <nos...*anytime.com> wrote:
> > :>
> > :> :
> > :> :
> > :> :"Alexander" <Alexan...*thegreat.org> wrote in message
> > :> :news:7qtabdFc03U1*mid.individual.net...
> > :> :> <>You're sound asleep when you hear a thump outside your bedroom
> > door.
> > :> :> Half-awake, and nearly paralyzed with fear, you hear muffled
> > whispers.
> > :> :> <>At least two people have broken into your house and are moving
> > your
> > :> way.
> > :> :>
> > :> :> With your heart pumping, you reach down beside your bed and pick up
> > :> your
> > :> :> shotgun. You rack a shell into the chamber, then inch toward the
> > door
> > :> and
> > :> :> open it.
> > :> :>
> > :> :>
> > :> :>
> > :> :> <>In the darkness, you make out two shadows. *One holds something
> > that
> > :> :> looks like a crowbar. <>When the intruder brandishes it as if to
> > :> strike,
> > :> :> you raise the shotgun and fire.
> > :> :> The blast knocks both thugs to the floor. One writhes and screams
> > while
> > :> :> the second man crawls to the front door and lurches outside.
> > :> :
> > :> :Reality: *"When confronted, they attempted to flee through a window.
> > :> :Shooting in the dark, Martin shot Fearon in the leg, and Barras in the
> > :> back"
> > :> :
> > :> :So he wasn't defending himself, the burglars were fleeing and posedno
> > :> :threat.
> > :> :
> > :>
> > :> Or the burglars were retreating to reattack.
> > :
> > :If they were retreating they weren't a threat.
> > :
>
> > Until they were out of your sight and then can attack by surprise from
> > a different direction.
>
> Is there some part of "They weren't a threat when he shot them"that you
> cannot understand? That is all that the law is interested in.

Fine. It's dark...they're retreating...HOW DOES HE KNOW THAT? HOW
DOES HE KNOW THEIR INTENT IS ON OF RETREAT?

and more to the point...if he did not invite them in they were
trespassing and there illegally. What part of self defense do YOU not
understand?

I love texas. Whack jobs that want to claim the "I was retreating"
crap find out that it doesn't work against the castle doctrine.

"Blinky Bill" <nospam*anytime.com> wrote:

:
:
:"Fred J. McCall" <fjmccall*gmail.com> wrote in message
:news:0clkk5tv3ld0ohbk2dd67ev75rd0ve6fur*4ax.com.. .
:> "Blinky Bill" <nospam*anytime.com> wrote:
:>
:> :
:> :
:> :"Fred J. McCall" <fjmccall*gmail.com> wrote in message
:> :newsndkk59dud0kgp8eglcjlkv4078ml0m8eo*4ax.com.. .
:> :> "Blinky Bill" <nospam*anytime.com> wrote:
:> :>
:> :> :
:> :> :
:> :> :"Alexander" <Alexander*thegreat.org> wrote in message
:> :> :news:7qtabdFc03U1*mid.individual.net...
:> :> :> <>You're sound asleep when you hear a thump outside your bedroom door.
:> :> :> Half-awake, and nearly paralyzed with fear, you hear muffled whispers.
:> :> :> <>At least two people have broken into your house and are moving your way.
:> :> :>
:> :> :> With your heart pumping, you reach down beside your bed and pick up your
:> :> :> shotgun. You rack a shell into the chamber, then inch toward the door and
:> :> :> open it.
:> :> :>
:> :> :>
:> :> :>
:> :> :> <>In the darkness, you make out two shadows. One holds something that
:> :> :> looks like a crowbar. <>When the intruder brandishes it as if to strike,
:> :> :> you raise the shotgun and fire.
:> :> :> The blast knocks both thugs to the floor. One writhes and screams while
:> :> :> the second man crawls to the front door and lurches outside.
:> :> :
:> :> :Reality: "When confronted, they attempted to flee through a window.
:> :> :Shooting in the dark, Martin shot Fearon in the leg, and Barras in the back"
:> :> :
:> :> :So he wasn't defending himself, the burglars were fleeing and posed no
:> :> :threat.
:> :> :
:> :>
:> :> Or the burglars were retreating to reattack.
:> :
:> :If they were retreating they weren't a threat.
:> :
:>
:> Until they were out of your sight and then can attack by surprise from
:> a different direction.
:
:Is there some part of "They weren't a threat when he shot them" that you
:cannot understand?
:

Is there some part of "They're a threat until they're dead or have
totally escaped" that you cannot understand?

:
:>
:> :> Why let them retreat so they can reattack from a different direction
:> :> later?
:> :
:> :Because they weren't a threat and he couldn't read their minds. If they
:> came
:> :back, he could have shot them when they were a threat and he probably
:> :wouldn't have been charged with murder.
:> :
:>
:> If he caught them again and didn't wind up dead himself.
:
:They were burglars, not murderers. And he could legally defend himself
:against what they were actually doing, not some fantasy that you imagine.
:And what they were doing was running away.
:

Oh, HE can't read their minds but YOU can?

:
:>
:> :
:> :>
:> :> :
:> :> :>
:> :> :>
:> :> :>
:> :> :> As you pick up the telephone to call police, you know you're in trouble.
:> :> :> In your country, most guns were outlawed years before, and the few that
:> :> :> are privately owned are so stringently regulated as to make them useless.
:> :> :
:> :> :"At no time did Martin call the police or any other authorities to inform
:> :> :them of what had happened."
:> :> :
:> :>
:> :> Never? Is that because the police arrived before he could do so?
:> :
:> :No, because he went to a bar and drank all night.
:> :
:> :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Martin_(farmer)
:> :
:>
:> Shock?
:>
:> :
:> :>
:> :> :> This case really happened.
:> :> :
:> :> :Not how you described it.
:> :> :
:> :> :Martin's lawyers tried to argue, at appeal, that he suffered from a paranoid
:> :> sychiatric disorder.
:> :> :
:> :> :He had had his shotgun licence revoked because he threatened to shoot his
:> :> :brother.
:> :> :
:> :> :Just the kind of person you want to have firearms - not.
:> :> :
:> :>
:> :> Should have cut his tongue out, too. I mean, do you really want
:> :> someone like that to have free speech?
:> :
:> :I certainly don't want someone like that to have guns.
:> :
:>
:> And I'm sure there are people who feel the same way about you.
:
:For what reason - that I disagree with them? ROTFLMAO The OP wants to make a
oster boy out of a person who was eminently unsuited to owning firearms.
:

Presumably for reasons not much different than your views on who
should or should not have guns.

:
:
:>
:> Now, back to that pesky free speech issue,
:>
:
:Why do you think I'm going to let you change the subject?
:<snip>
:

You mean why did I think you might actually have the guts and
intellect to pull your head out, don't you? The subject is the same,
you see; you wanting to control which 'rights' people are allowed to
exercise based on what YOU think of them.

Well, since you obviously don't, I guess we're done.


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"Der Feige droht nur, wo er sicher ist."
--Johann Wolfgang von Goethe